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Post by raoulsgal0689 on Oct 11, 2005 21:24:59 GMT -5
This is a thread for those who want to talk about the movie. Even though I have known about Phantom form a young age... 8 I would say, thanks to my mother who saw the play... the first time I ever saw it was at the movies! I fell in love! With the story, with Raoul, with everything!! It was so wonderful!!! Anyhoo... I hope to get a response. This is an AWESOME movie!!
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Post by Angel on Oct 12, 2005 6:27:09 GMT -5
First of all ... welcome to SYLM! ::glomps newbie:: As you can tell, I'm Angel (or Grace, whichever  ). Secondly - this sounds exactly like my story! Knew about Phantom since I was seven or eight via the OLC recording, but finally saw it at the movies early this year. Been a phan ever since, and never looked back (much to the horror of my sister). I agree - the movie is absolutely awesome. Sure, if I was Joel I'd change a few things, but as always, just my opinion. Let the discussion begin! ::confetti::  |
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Post by Jaycee on Oct 12, 2005 16:36:58 GMT -5
I first heard about POTO from a girl at school, who said she loved the play and couldn't wait for the movie to come out, so when my dad and i were bored one night, we decided to go see it, and i became immediately obsessed! I drive my sister crazy with it too! My friend and I watched three times in one night once! Unfortunately, she is EC, otherwise i'd tell her to join this site! Anyway, I'm sure i'll have lots to say in this thread!
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Post by LittleLotte394 on Oct 13, 2005 7:37:05 GMT -5
Well, my story is pretty similar to raoulsgal's and Angel's. My mom (whom I can scarcely call a phan) saw the play with my grandma, told me about it when I was little, it sounded OK. So when the movie came out, my grandmother took me to see it. I was in love from the overture to the sad end. I know some details are different from the play- like when the chandelier falls- but it's a very good film.
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Post by Jaycee on Apr 2, 2006 21:01:17 GMT -5
Lots of people that I've talked to who are book phans (mostly on phantomoftheopera.com) can't stand the movie. I still haven't got around to finishing the book, and I just don't get that! Does anybody understand this? Is it because they're so different?
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Post by Angel on Apr 7, 2006 3:35:27 GMT -5
I've often found that people who really don't like the movie are diehard ALW phans, personally. It's easier to make comparisons between ALW and Schumacher, though, given that they actually follow the same plotline. Leroux and ALW/Schumacher are just chalk and cheese. I would think that Leroux phans who criticise the movie perhaps wanted a bit more morbidity and darkness about it, and a less romanticised version of Erik. But, as I really like both Leroux and Schumacher (am yet to see ALW), I'm not really sure.
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Hi-chan
Childhood Sweetheart
Raoul & Christine Forever ^_^
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Post by Hi-chan on May 4, 2006 23:50:20 GMT -5
Ah...no matter how much I find wrong with the movie, I will always love it, as if it were not for that movie, I wouldn't know what PotO was and I wouldn't be here. I think the movie is my favorite version next to Leroux. I am die-hard Leroux, but I can't give up the movie since I saw it before I read the book. I have yet to see the stage show (I hope to someday).
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Post by Jaycee on May 6, 2006 14:52:52 GMT -5
Yeah, there are lots of things wrong wit hthe movie, as I am realising more and more every day, but ya gotta love it. I mean, It may not be the best version out there (well, actually it's STILL my only version but since I'm going to see the stage show this august, and the leroux book is getting closer to the top of my reading list, that's all going to change soon) but we wouldn't have so many phans without it.
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Post by Hi-chan on May 6, 2006 20:01:47 GMT -5
It may not be the best version out there (...) but we wouldn't have so many phans without it. Perhaps that's not such a bad thing!! ;D Lol. Knowing me, I would have eventually discovered the book, so... No, but seriously, it would be a lot better if the majority weren't screaming Gerry phangirls...ARGH. I've encountered enough screaming silly phangirls to last me a lifetime. I don't think so. (Tho' I may be just as bad...I didn't know I could be such a romantic sap until I saw PotO.  ) And Jaycee, you are going to see the stage show? I envy you! I want to see it soo bad...TAKE ME WITH YOU!! T.T Lol. ^_^ |
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Post by The Black Domino on May 7, 2006 0:10:19 GMT -5
Argh, why me? Why must I always be the one with the different option on a thread? Gah.
I'll be honest here; I do not like the 2004 movie. Maybe I'll accept a thing or two in it, but the main thing? Nay. I'm sorry but, once I started listening to professionally trained singers singing the role, and started viewing full clips of stage!scenes, I discovered how truly awesome stage was and how many aspects the movie lacked.
I dislike (for to not say 'hate') many things of the movie, but the no. 1 prob is the voices. I believe that it's just that I'm too picky. I demand way too much for voices, if one is going to sing, the voice must be perfect or close to. And, Rossum, Butler, and a few others can't sing. They simply cannot. Butler, for example, doesn't have a voice, Rossum may have, but it is not trained. If there is something that really makes me mad about Rossum fans, it's that they say that she's had years of training. Please. Not just has she said so herself that that is not true, but that I can also prove that in many ways.
Many tend to say that I am cruel or mean when I critique Ms. Rossum, but I'm sorry, I have to be that way, I cannot hide my option because of that girl's sake and for a start, if she really wanted to an actress or an Opera Singer, she would have to be exposed to criticism like whoa, not to mention that that would be an enormous source of improvement. Also, many phans do not want to compare other Christines to Emmy just because they have not seen the stage show. Please. What happened to cast recordings and full-length clips? Just with two full songs of one singing as Christine, a phan should be able to compare fairly.
And I'm not even mentioning Rossum's acting for it was horrid. Simply horrid. At times, she even made me laugh. She always had this dumb-like face. A new expression please, Miss Rossum.
The sexiness in the movie is another thing that I freaking hate. Really, is the Phantom's disfigurement even a disfigurement? No, it's just The Sunburn of Doom. And the mask? It only covered 1/5 or /14 of his face. Not to mention the tight pants (PONR ring a bell?). With the sexiness, not just did the directors and crew take a lot of quality out of the enjoyment of the film, but that they took the "Phantom of the Opera" out of "Phantom of the Opera". Freaking hated the sexiness in it. Why couldn't they just give us a phantom in a hooded suit on PONR? Now that's hot. Oh and not to mention, the costumes were completely out of the era. A few words on red death? It's a star wars jumpsuit (ha, I even nicknamed it that way).
Ooh, and just one last thing: the bloody guitars on the title song!! All right, so maybe I'm just a classical music person, but still, those guitars were hideous! If they would have at least added a lot of guitars and rock instruments it would have not sounded so horrible, but adding just a few guitars, really that just screwed it up (thanks goodness that the PONR score stayed intact).
Sometimes I even try to look the good things on the movie, but it's just useless I do not enjoy it anymore, I wish I could, but every time I start to watch it I'm already missing those beautiful well-trained voices, the great acting, the not-on-purpose sexiness, and even the more-adequate-to-the-victorian-era costumes (in other words, the stage show). And yes, I know they are two completely different things, but the movie was based on the stage show. And there have also been fabulous adaptations of musicals into movies that are good and unique, but still faithful to its origin or base, so there is no excuse for why the Phantom movie was so un-loyal to its base.
So for now, I'm going to have to say that I will not be enjoying this movie, my respects to everyone whom enjoy and adore it though.
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Post by Jaycee on May 8, 2006 19:13:13 GMT -5
It may not be the best version out there (...) but we wouldn't have so many phans without it. Perhaps that's not such a bad thing!! ;D Lol. Knowing me, I would have eventually discovered the book, so... No, but seriously, it would be a lot better if the majority weren't screaming Gerry phangirls...ARGH. I've encountered enough screaming silly phangirls to last me a lifetime. I don't think so. (Tho' I may be just as bad...I didn't know I could be such a romantic sap until I saw PotO. ) And Jaycee, you are going to see the stage show? I envy you! I want to see it soo bad...TAKE ME WITH YOU!! T.T Lol. ^_^ Well, yeah, I agree, the screaming phangirls piss me off too. |
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Post by Angel on May 24, 2006 5:03:58 GMT -5
You know what, Black Domino? I actually agree with pretty much everything you've said. I suppose the difference between us is that I'm too much of a sap (or maybe just too apathetic) to get really annoyed about it when I watch it. It's actually turned into a bit of a 'guilty pleasure movie' for me. I know the singing isn't the best, I know it's horribly historically-inaccurate, I know it's sexed up beyond all belief (and so on and so forth), but I just can't help enjoying it ... even if it is to poke fun at some things. The only thing that really annoys me when I watch it is Emmy Rossum ... I really do dislike her voice in this role. (And, honestly, Black Domino, I don't think you're being overly cruel or mean ... I've seen her criticised in much blunter terms ) As for the general historical inaccuracies in costumes ... I sort of swing both ways. Sometimes I just want to redesign the entire wardrobe, but sometimes I just watch and pretend that it's a timeless story and the costumes don't matter On their own, I really like the costumes (especially Emmy's Empress Sissi Think of Me dress) with a few exceptions (not crazy about the PONR dancers' pants, for example  ), but in context they are rather out of place. As for the deformity ... I swear that thing comes and goes. The worst it gets is, IMO, right after she pulls the mask off and then it seems to tone itself down (and it's hardly there at all in STYDI -- I took a screenshot). Is it just me, or does anyone else find that? Basically, I can't say I don't like the movie, because I do. I honestly enjoy it when I watch it. But it's definitely not perfect. (Oh, the joys of indecisiveness!) |
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Post by Simple Rose on May 24, 2006 17:25:11 GMT -5
Ladies, you do realize what compensates entirely and makes all other errors forgiveable, right?
... er, that is, of course, Patrick Wilson's unearthly voice! Mmm, perfect vibrato and tone... and a darn sweetheart to boot!
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Post by creampuff on May 24, 2006 17:34:34 GMT -5
Pat was the redeeming quality of this movie. Trust me. When I go to see Phantom, I want to hear a kick-ass Phantom and a bitchin' Christine. That element was seriously lacking.
I want to bash my head against a window and break it. Gerry tried, he really did, but they needed to get another coach or SOMETHING. Gah, it was painful.
Don't get me started on Emmy..
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Post by Angel on May 24, 2006 19:38:15 GMT -5
Ah, so that's why I still like it! It's all about Patrick! Thanks, Em creampuff, all I can say is that I don't know what they were thinking when Raoul could sing better than the Phantom and Christine. Aie. I mean, they're supposed to be the ones with the angelic voices ... (not that I'm complaining about Patrick. IMO, he has a perfect Raoul-voice.) But, vocal issues aside, at least Gerry could act. Let's just leave it at that statement, shall we? |
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Post by creampuff on May 24, 2006 19:47:47 GMT -5
LOL Yes, let's.
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Post by Jaycee on May 25, 2006 22:33:39 GMT -5
(not crazy about the PONR dancers' pants, for example ), Forget the dancers, I was totally grossed out by Gerard's pants I agree, if it weren't for Patrick, well, let's just say I wouldn't like the movie as I do. I finally converted two phans who actually ended up R/C the other night, and it was totally thanks to him. They wouldn't shut up about how hot he is. And then I got one of them to believe that the Phantom was going to kill Raoul, just because she's so gullible, and, I swear, she almost cried. He really does play a very convincing Raoul. I could never really dislike the movie either, though. I mean, I know there's a million things wrong with it, but honestly, they just don't bother me. NOt even Emmy's massive array of ditz faces! It's probably just because I fell in love with POTO through this version that I just can't bear to ever dislike it. Besides, I haven't seen the play yet, so I haven't really got much to compare it to. Leroux's book was amazing, but it's hard to compare them, they're so differrent. |
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Post by Angel on Jun 5, 2006 8:14:14 GMT -5
 Jaycee, check that we're not long-lost relatives, okay? Those are my feelings exactly |
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